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  1. Some friends is right. It comforts me that the devil had to ask permission of God to torment Job. Though he storms around the world, he doesn’t have total power. The Lord didn’t give him the power. He lent him the power. I believe the devil must get permission for anything that he does to the children of the Father.

    Another thought-provoking post.

  2. This infuriates me. So all spirits have to go before God, to ask permission to interfere with the humans. Yes? That still goes today? Nice.

    Second, the adversary was allowed to kill Jobs family, his sons and daughters in that house that collapsed, how did the Lord replace that?

    God knew Jobs heart, and still let the adversary ‘mess him up’ just to prove a point. I am sorry, if this was any other parent, treating their child like that, we would be disgusted.
    God tell us to call him Father.

    I know God is real, but I neither love nor trust him. And for that I will burn.
    But to me, this is abuse of trust. I never understood that the spirits have to ask permission before interfering in human affairs, I thought they did it out of spite.

    I don’t know, suffering for Gods pride, and then God just uses ‘stuff’ to make Job happy again,
    ‘Here have more stuff, am I not good to you?’.
    Is it Corinthians, God is not the author of confusion. Then what is this?
    Maybe something changed between ot and nt, but God does not change.

    Why didn’t God just tell the adversary to sod off, ‘I know Job better than you, move along’.

    Please prove me wrong.

    I am missing some critical thinking in ‘Christians’, like this article, you are not shedding light on anything, you are just kind of regurgitating things everyone thinks when reading the book. And then making excuses for the Lord.

    I dislike this false piousness, if God was just direct, ‘Yes I am kind of a chunk, but it all serves a purpose’. Or something.

    I am suffering, because the more I seek him, the less I find him appealing. I don’t want to be in eternity with this God. I love Jesus, I know what he endured for me, but that is not enough.
    God requires trust, and I don’t have it.

    I am already in hell. Now I’m just waiting for the lake of fire.

    Thank you Father

    • I’m sorry for your obvious suffering.

      Why did God allow Satan to test Job if he knew Job’s faith would withstand the assault? For one thing, Job and Satan wouldn’t know. Satan would appear the victor. Lots of people over the centuries have been dissatisfied with God’s response to Job, but Job was completely satisfied, even before the last chapter where his life and comfort were restored to him.

      God is love. Therefore all his acts are motivated by love, whether any of us like them or not. Whenever we read in Scripture anything that seems to suggest any other motivation, we must keep probing it until the love reveals itself to us. Otherwise, as you have experienced, we wind up alienated from God and totally miserable.

      As for Job, God loved him enough to trust him. He loved all who would read the book of Job and gave us a testimony of his superiority over the devil.

      You say you love Jesus, and Jesus is God made manifest in human flesh. He said, “I and the Father are one.” On close examination, there is no difference in character between Jesus and the God of the Old Testament. Wrestle with any apparent contradictions until you see it for yourself.

    • I appreciate this reflection more than you know, Neb. First of all, it is honest. You’ve been transparent that this story does not deepen your love for God, but rather drives you away. I think that is about as honest a response as any I’ve ever heard.

      Yes, this story does not stir love of God for me either but instead fear. “Well if God did that to righteous Job, what is stopping Him from doing that to me? I couldn’t possibly measure up to that”. If anything, it makes me duck my head a little. Perhaps that is one of the points.

      Another point is how God confronts Job’s pride head on with reason, answering him out of the storm. (Why would He bother to answer him or restore him if He is a cold hearted being?). “What gives you the right to question Me or what I do?”. After all, Job flat out challenges God to explain Himself throughout Job’s responses. Even Bildad has enough of it in chapter 8

      8 “Then answered Bildad the Shuhite, and said,

      2 How long wilt thou speak these things? and how long shall the words of thy mouth be like a strong wind?

      3 Doth God pervert judgment? or doth the Almighty pervert justice?”

      Another point may be that God doesn’t owe anyone anything. He runs the show. He is not like us as people. Perhaps the secondary thought under this point is how far we’ve moved from understanding God’s nature as a society. There is no “fair” with God ever really, apart from Jesus doing something completely unfair by God’s standards in taking our iniquities and absolving us thoroughly. God isn’t fair by our standards – He’s God. He’s not a human father, he’s not a boss of a large corporation: He is God. I guess even I have lost sight of that.

      Another lesson from Job is that we can’t barter with God. If I be real good and sacrifice for my children and say prayers day and night then He will spare me. That is like fictional Allah but that’s not God Himself. We can’t barter and trade with him or appease him. There is nothing that can appease God apart from Jesus.

      Yes another lesson is to see how Job’s friends respond. Job’s wife is bitter – curse God and die, you fool. Eliphaz is proud and sure of why God did it – well why else, Job, you liar, you’ve done something horrendous. We knew you had secrets to your success and now look at what you deserve! Repent and be healed. Bildad and Zophar are there to basically echo Eliphaz because it seems they concurred before they even arrived in chapter 2. “What he said.”. The only one who was even close was the young guy Elihu

      Job 32:2
      Then was kindled the wrath of Elihu the son of Barachel the Buzite, of the kindred of Ram: against Job was his wrath kindled, because he justified himself rather than God.

      “What are you saying, people? Who can know the mind of God?”. And for it, God commended him.

      So Neb, there must be some facet of God’s nature that is forgiving because He made a way for us when we flat out don’t measure up to Him by any standard. Maybe that is the point? I agree if my 10 children were wiped out at once and years later God hands me 10 new ones, it would seem cold. But years pass, events happen, God gives Job and his bitter old wife 10 more. That is loving. Maybe Job was like Issac in his heart and laid down on the altar for God to do whatever He wanted (though He slay me, yet will I trust Him (Job 13:15). A challenge to every Christ follower. We don’t know a whole lot about God because he is infinite but we know a little because of Jesus. I don’t want you to curse God and die in your heart, Neb. Trust that God is God and keep loving Jesus because you can’t believe one without the other.

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